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Friday, December 30, 2011

Guest Blogger Jayasree Saranathan

Jayasree sent a copy of this to me about a week ago and gave me permission to reprint it here. Unfortunately my computer has not been cooperating lately and I tried to cut and paste it three times, but failed to get everything in the article posted. Today was the fourth time, and it worked.  Initially, I was interested in the mention of the Wooly Mammoths in Southern Siberia which he indicated (Airavatha Varsha, below) But also I was interested in several other matters including the fact that Charles Hapgood had mentioned the Veddic peoples had originally come from a polar region in an appendix to Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings. And actually there is a theory that the Uralic languages of Russia and Central Asia are related to the Dravidians of Southern India, and the Veda people there. And if that was not enough it is a well-known fact that the Southern Siberian Scythians or Sakas and the “White Huns”settled widely in NW India at about the time of the Roman Empire and subsequently moved back North again with a culture much influenced by India and using an Indian alphabet and artistic styles, and recolonized up into Turkestan, Mongolia and even the Lake Baikhal region. So the peoples in these areas were not unknown to each other in ancient times. And so I shall let Jayasree have his say on the matter now.

Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Why ban Gita when Russia has a Vedic past?

Have ever the Russians searched for their roots? This question came into my mind when I read the reports of the case in a Siberian court seeking a ban on Bhagawad Gita on the grounds that it is an extremist- literature. It is ironical that a country which has had a very long past in Vedic living until the 8th century AD should have completely forgotten its past and its roots and given room for controversies such as the one that is seen now. Compared to them we in India seem to fare better in retaining the memory of our past and retrieving whatever is possible.
I wish the day comes soon when Russians start digging their vast stretches in Siberia and find out that their past goes upto 40,000 years backwards and they were more Vedik  than anyone at that time! I may sound absurd, but that is the inference from numerous narrations in Hindu scriptures – now supported by genetic studies.
Starting from the distant past, the entire Eurasian continent was divided into 3 regions according to Mahabharatha. 
The huge circle in the above diagram shows the extent of “Sudharshana Dweepa” where the rule of Sanatan Dharma was in place.
It had Bharath in the South (rectangle area in the bottom of this picture) with
Hemakuta or Himalayas in its northern limits,
an intermediary Ilavarsha to the north of Himalayas (noted in dark red square in the middle) and
a vast Airavatha varsha in extreme north of the Sudharshana dweepa.
Most of Russia is covered by Airavatha varsha.
Airavatha is the name of the elephant of Indra, the titular king of the Devas.
The Deva territory is close to the North pole where there was sunlight continuously for 6 months and darkness continuously for 6 months.  The elephant, Airavatha  in all probability was the Woolly mammoth which became extinct about 10,000 years ago.
This time period coincides with the last time we hear about Indra form our scriptures. It was when Indra and Devas lost their lands and were dispersed. Indra’s son was caught and imprisoned by Surapadma who belonged to the Southern most part of the world.
From the accounts of Skanda purana, we come to know that Skanda secured the release of Indra’s son, Jayantha and killed Sura padma.  Skanda described in this purana coincides with Ugra kumara born to Meenakshi and Sundareswara who started the first Sangam assemblage in the South-Madurai (Then-Madurai) in Deep South about 11,000 years ago. The details of how this figure was arrived at would require another post and hence I am proceeding with the current topic. Those who read Tamil can read the details in my Tamil blog.
The above classification of Eurasia existed 10,000 years ago. Before the last glaciation, the territory near north pole was very much habitable. The locations called Amaravathy, capital city of Devas and Uttar Kuru existed in Siberia.
Uttar kuru means the land of Kuru (a clan) settled in the North. They were the early settlers much before Mahabharatha times (which was about 5000 years ago.) The men and women of that territory were said to have led a free life and mingled with each other as they wished. The probable reason could have been procreation which was minimal owing to climatic conditions that existed there.
The route to Uttarkuru and Deva territories is explained in Valmiki Ramayana through the narration of Shugreeva who detailed the places to be seen and searched to find out Seetha  in the north of Bharath. (Valmiki Ramayana -4-43) Once having crossed the vast Himalayas, he describes a pure-water  lake called Vaikhanas where sages used to do penance. This coincides with Lake Baikal.
He also describes the presence of a river in the north of this lake called Shailodha which had very cold waters. The sages used to cross this river at a place using the woods of a tree called Keechaka which makes sound like bamboo when wind blows. This coincides with river Angara.
                                                    River Angara.
Today there is a place called Kichera in Baikal – resembling Keechaka –  which is crossed using the woods of a tree.
According to Ramayana description, Uttar Kuru was in the North of Vaikhanas (Lake Baikal). Sages like Yajnavalkya spent their vanaprastha days near Vaikhanas.  This area was habitable before the last glaciation and it has been proved by Milankovitch cycles that  heat and cold were experienced in extreme North and Extreme South of the earth alternatingly,  once in 41,000 years.
Not only Vaikhanas (Baikal) the entire region of Russia had the presence e of Rishis (sages). There is an opinion that the name Russia was derived from Rishi varsha.  There is a mention of Rishi varsha in scriptures which goes well with this region. The presence of Devas  in this part of the globe in a distant past had attracted  sages to this place. We have a number of references in Puranas of sages going to the Deva territory. Perhaps their overwhelming presence gave the name Rishi varsha which later became Russia.

There is yet another root to the name Russia as being derived from the olden name of Volga river. Volga was called as  ‘rasa’ or ‘rosa’. People think that it is derived from the Persian word ‘rana’ or ‘ra’. But this word ‘rasa’ is a straight Sanskrit word meaning essence, juice, nectar, elixir, soup, love, the finest part of anything and so on. This name perfectly fits with the river of fine water quality From the river’s name Rasa, the name Russia was derived.  
Volga’s tributary is called  as ‘Oka’. People connect it with the Latin Aqua which means water, whereas the root word Apa ins again a straight Sanskrit word meaning the same. From Apa comes ‘aapa-saras’ the  waterway and from that ‘apsaras’ the beautiful girls who enjoy playing in the aapa-saras. This region of Russia was identified with Apsaras women. Menaka, Urvasi, Thiloththama etc were all apsara women who were known to have seduced men.
Another tributary of Volga is known by a name which is very familiar to any Hindu. It is river ‘Moksha’ which means salvation in Sanskrit.  There is another tributary nearer to this Moksha called as “Mokswa”. Moscow got its name from Mokswa because of its location on the banks of this river!
Moksha is also the name of an old language spoken in this area. Today not many speak this language. But the customs of the people who spoke Moksha language are Vedic – in that they had worshiped Indra  and Vayu!!
A strong connection to Vedism was recently unearthed in Siberia near Kazaksthan.  Nearly  20 sites have been found out to have housed circular habitations resembling Vedic life.
An important site is the one in Arkaim which is located in the confluence of two rivers called Karakanga and Utya-kanga. These names sound like Ganga!
It was a practice in ancient times to name the major river of a region as Ganga and the major mountain peak as Meru. We find Meru and Ganga in many land forms (varshas) in the narration of Sanjaya in Bheeshma parva. The interesting g information is that the local people think these rivers are sacred and have healing properties. This perhaps led to the naming of these rivers as Ganga.  One must know that people of Bharath and the sages were globetrotting from times immemorial. The location of Uttar kuru as well as the location of important cities in the four directions of earth were mentioned in Surya Siddhantha and later repeated by Bhaskaracharya in Siddhantha Shiromani.
Arkaim has all the trappings of a Vedic system. The name itself sounds like Arka, the name of the Sun. Arka, the sun has healing properties. There is a tree called Arka which is used in Ayurvedic medicine .
The Arkaim site contains swastika signs and other symbols of Vedic rites. Swastika is derived from the word swasth which means getting healed. This site is dated at 4500 BP
Details of this site can be read here.
This site falls in the route described in Mahabharatha.
In the following picture, Lahore was the kingdom of Lava, son of Rama.
Peshawar was the kingdom of Pushkalavathy ruled by Pushkala, son of Bharatha.
These two cities were established during the reign of Rama, the son of Dasaratha. These cities are in the route to Kekaya, today’s Kazaksthan which was the maternal land of Kaikeyi, mother of Bhratha. One has to cross river Chakshus to reach Kekaya.  This river is now known as Oxus . It is shown in blue colour in this picture.
After crossing Oxus, there are 2 routes. The right side route takes to Arkaim (Chelyabinsk Oblast).
Further east from Arkaim takes one to Uttar Kuru.
Arjuna took the route to Uttar Kuru from Samara in this picture.
The left side route after crossing Oxus takes one to Samara which was known as Sthree Rajya in Hindu texts and as Straya Maina today!
From Sthree Rajya (samara) Moscow can be reached.
Sthree Rajya is a frequent name seen in our scriptures.
It was dominated by women – due to which it got the name Sthree Rajya – the land of women or dominated by women.  They were supposed to seduce men and lead a free life.
Varaha mihira has mentioned this place as one of the countries surrounding Bharatha varsha.
Vatsyanana also has mentioned about Sthree Rajya in the context of “Grama naari vishayam” where he has said that the women of Sthree Rajya  were free to have sex with a any man they liked.
Bhattasmin , the commentator for Artha sastra also has talked about SthreRajya as a country abounding in luxurious artilces and happiness.
In Mahabharatha also, the name of this place is mentioned. The king of this country called ‘Srungi’ attended a Swayamvar (self choice of groom) in Kalinga.
Much later in history, the Kashmiri king, Lalithaadhitya Muthapeeda of Karkoda lineage  (AD 724 to AD 760) conquered Sthree Rajya and established there a temple for Narahari (Vishnu). This information can be found in Raja Tarangini of Kalhana.  After winning Sthree Rajya he went to Uttar Kuru. This king did not yield to the  lure of the beauty of the women of SthreeRajya and hence earned a name “Indriyakraaman”.
His grand son, Jayapeeda also had gone to Sthree Rajya and established his rule.
What is of interest to us is the discovery of a statue of Vishnu in Staraya Maina (in Samara)
Pic courtesy from the following link uploaded by a Russian woman.
This statue was dated at 8th century AD, the same period when Lalithadhitya Mukthapeeda established a Vishnu temple in Sthree Rajya.  From this it can be known that today’s Straya Maina was the Sthree Rajya of olden days.
The following picture shows the different places through which the  people of ancient Bharat traveled to Russia and Uttar Kuru.
With all these Vedic connections, it is sad to note that Russians have not yet woken up to their past.
The names of Russians also  bear resemblance to Vedik names mentioned so far.
 Kurushev is a common name in that country, reminding Uttra Kuru connection.
The name of the Russian  President Medvedev has two names resembling Vedic connection Dev and Ved!
Paramacharya of Kanchi brought to our notice that Russians indeed followed Vedic ways. In Vedic way of expressing one’s place, the method is to express the biggest unit and the go in steps to the smaller units. That is, if one were to express one’s location, one has to mention the country, then state, then the city and so on. This method is still followed in Russia. This is the method followed in Sankalpa mantras in all Vedik rituals – but forgotten in material life by us.
Before ending this post let me tell about Lopamudra, the wife of sage Agasthya was said to have belonged to Uttra Kuru. She had penned a few verses in Rig Veda which are of the nature of pangs of separation of a love-struck lady. The name Lopamudra sounds like a familiar name of Russia of today – Ludmila which means ‘lover of people’. It is no wonder that Agasthya was suspicious of Lopamudra’s fidelity which is narrated in the commentary to Tholkappiyam in Tamil by Nacchinaarkiniyar.
With so much of Vedik connection to Russia, it is laughable that they are scared of Bhagawad Gita!


  1. http://www.voininatangra.org/modules/ipboard/index.php?showtopic=2873

    The swastika is one of the oldest sacred symbols distributed worldwide. You’ll find it as ornament in Sumer as a sign written in Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, and even in Egypt, Troy, Scythia, Tibet, China, Pliska, Bulyar (Volga Bulgaria), Finland and even Dokolumbova America. Because of the Sumerian civilization is seen as the first, it is assumed that appropriate for the first time in the world swastika appeared there.
    This scientific opinion, however, have fundamentally revised after the latest discovery in the area of ​​Starazagorskite Neolithic dwellings where historical strata dating VI – IV century BC. These are unequivocally and categorically clear image of a swastika! Obviously Chalcolithic people here in Thrace are known swastika nearly 2 000 years earlier than the Sumerians! A long the way to the museum in the Neolithic dwellings are kept on the typeface and ceramics depicting schematically maze, in this case also we can determine the most ancient in the world at the moment.


  2. Thank you for the remark about the swastikas. I was apprehensive that publishing the article might draw criticism from small-minded people that diod not know the Nazis used an old and universal symbol as a tie to the powerful and widespread traditions of the ancient past.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.


  3. The swastika is still used in Vietnam to indicate pharmacies. It is the symbol for health also. What a lovely article. Thank you. The next question of course is where did the original Vedik traditions come from?


  4. More developments on that score are following this piece. Incidentally, Jayasree and I have a slight difference of opinion on that matter which we have both agreed to disagree upon. My opinion is that since the Veddic texts describe arctic conditions, the descriptions of arctic conditions were conveyed by Uralic peoples, who left their linguistic fingerprints on the Tamil-relatted languages of the Indus valley. The Uralics get as close to the North Pole as anybody can get and still be on land, at the Tamyr peninsula.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.


  5. vruz celebrations in Almaty, Kazakhstan. Navruz, an ancient holiday marking the spring equinox, is widely celebrated across Central Asia MAP http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/kazakhstan_pol01.jpg http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/20/kazakhstan201106_wideweb__430x307,0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.smh.com.au/news/asia/stan-up-to-be-counted/2006/11/16/1163266709293.html&h=307&w=430&sz=36&tbnid=KVJSOxyH0yO1zM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=126&prev=/images?q%3DKazakhstan&usg=__tnBPkH-lKB5eHZ8lAAXPPesWO1c=&sa=X&ei=qodFTOefIdW6jAezzpH1Bg&ved=0CDoQ9QEwCA Kazakh Archeologists Discover Ancient Scythian “Sun Lord” http://www.eurasianet.org/node/61549 Juy 19, 2010 – 1:30am, by Joanna Lillis Archeologists in Kazakhstan have discovered the grave of a gold-clad ancient Scythian warrior who has already earned himself a nickname: “The Sun Lord.” Researchers uncovered the find in a Scythian grave consisting of seven burial mounds in Karaganda Region east of the capital, Astana. The opulence of the warrior’s burial indicates that he was a leader as well as a fighter, expedition leader Arman Beysenov explained. “He was probably a ruler and a warrior simultaneously,” Beysenov said in remarks quoted by the Kazinform news agency on July 16. “The person’s torso was entirely covered with gold. The figure of a leader like this was associated with the sun. He was a sort of ‘sun lord.’” The warrior was likely buried in the 4th or 5th century BC in a grave that was actually discovered half a century ago, though excavation work only started last year. Robbers had looted the grave in ancient times, Beysenov said, but it still contained quite a horde of ancient treasure. One of the burial mounds alone yielded 130 gold objects that included the figure of a feline predator, pendants and parts of sword belts. Archeologists also found hundreds of gold beads and 14 bronze arrowheads in the grave. Inevitably, the archeological discovery is being trumpeted as comparable to that of the Golden Man, found in the Issyk burial mound just outside Kazakhstan’s commercial capital, Almaty, in 1969. The Golden Man, who’s believed to have been a young Scythian prince who lived in the 4th or 5th century BC, was interred wearing some 4,000 gold ornaments. He has become a national symbol — the image of the Golden Man, with his trademark conical gold headdress, decorates the monument to independence on Almaty’s Republic Square, and in 2006 President Nursultan Nazarbayev unveiled a statue of him outside the Kazakh Embassy in Washington. The original is on display at Almaty’s Museum of Gold. Archeologists are now hoping that their digs in eastern Kazakhstan will reveal more information about the glorious “Sun Lord,” the latest find from the Scythian past.Sayram http://wikimapia.org/#lat=42.2934316&lon=69.7668743&z=12&l=0&m=b&show=/12978246/Sayram&search=Kazakh%20archaeology

    Sayram (Kazakh: Сайрам, Persian: اسپیجاب, UniPers: “Espījāb”) is a city located in southeastern South Kazakhstan Province on the Sayram Su river, which rises at the nearby 4000 meter mountain Sayram Su.
    Archaeology in Central Asia is still emerging. There have been some finds made in Sayram while it was in the Soviet Union. Notable among them are evidence of an early plumbing system like the kinds found in Samarqand and other cities of the early Persian empires.


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